Thursday, August 04, 2005

NYCLU To The Rescue.

The New York Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit to challenge the legality of New York City’s new policy of randomly searching the bags of subway passengers. The lawsuit states that the searches “virtually certain neither to catch any person trying to carry explosives into the subway nor to deter such an effort.” The NYCLU further stated that riders have complained that they were targeted for searches in a “discriminatory and arbitrary” manner, which could lead to racial profiling. New York City Republican Councilman James Oddo has called for police to target Arab-looking individuals, saying “Plain and simply, young Arab fundamentalists are the individuals undertaking these acts of terror.” Apparently Oddo never heard of Eric Rudolph or Tim McVeigh.

11 Comments:

Blogger MiamiMiami said...

I am not sure if you have realized this or not but the Islamic terrorists who are bombing subways lately are not the Eric Rudolph or McVeigh types. But then again when has the NYCLU or the ACLU even tried to fight for the right things anyways. Why start now?

Has Osama put them on retainer yet?

6:42 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Now here's a Democrat who gets it...

NEW YORK A New York state legislator says he plans to introduce a bill to allow police officers to use racial profiling to target Middle Easterners when searching bags.

Since the attacks in London last month police in New York have begun searching the bags of some of those who use the city's subways, buses and ferries.
But a lawmaker from Brooklyn says the new policy may be politically correct, but it won't make passengers safer.
He says police should instead focus on young Middle Easterners.
Racial profiling is illegal, but the legislator says he will introduce a bill to remove that prohibition.
Police have already dismissed the idea as ineffective, and against police department policy.

Source KFOR.com Oklahoma
http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3664228

6:46 PM  
Blogger Alva Goldbook said...

Miami,
Actually the London bombers were British citizens, just as Rudolph and McVeigh were American citizens.

7:09 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

British citizens of Muslim descent. McVeigh and Rudolph weren't. I don't know why you choose to see it only on the terrorist's side of the coin. Whose side are you on anyways?

5:08 AM  
Blogger Alva Goldbook said...

No, Rudolph and McVeigh were Christian terrorists. So what would that logically lead you to conclude?

12:23 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

No, Rudolph and McVeigh were Christian terrorists. So what would that logically lead you to conclude?

That Mcveigh did not kill in the name of Jesus. And my example is that they do not represent nearly 1/1000 of a percent of the enemy we are fighting. You just don't like them because they represent your warped view of Christianity and enables you to further your view that Christians are evil people.

4:25 AM  
Blogger Alva Goldbook said...

We don’t know if McVeigh killed in the name of Jesus. We do know that Rudolph did. What is the enemy we are fighting? Is it terrorism? Then why aren’t we taking out religious extremists like James Dobson and Jerry Farwell, who say the United States deserved to be attacked on 9/11?

As a Christian, I can tell you Miami, that people like Rudolph, McVeigh, James Dobson, Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson, NONE of them are good Christians, if one is to look at the example Jesus set. In fact, they more closely resemble the Pharisees who had The Son of Man crucified. These people will lead their followers into prayer, distorting the word of God and making them blind to the teachings of Jesus. AT BEST, they should be called what The Son of Man called the Pharisees of the day. They are “hypocrites.”

7:19 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

We don’t know if McVeigh killed in the name of Jesus. We do know that Rudolph did.

===>You have one. ONly one example where a modern terrorist used Jesus as his motivation to kill. Let me ask you this, not to defend Rudolph but what is the motivation for Democrats and liberals allowing people to kill unborn children? Or is there one?

What is the enemy we are fighting? Is it terrorism?

===>Specifically it is Isalmofacism. MAke no mistake about it. If we were fighting "terrorism" then enviromentalists would be on that list as well. Ever heard of the ELF? Those wackos that burned a bunch of SUV's and polluted the air with the smoke they produced? Aren't they terrorists? So does that make all enviromentalists (although I will admit no matter how wacky they are they are for the most part non-violent) terrorists? No. But you take the action of one person who uses Jesus as his motivation to kill and all of a sudden condemn all of us Christians as bad folks. Are you that scared of religion Alva?

Then why aren’t we taking out religious extremists like James Dobson and Jerry Farwell, who say the United States deserved to be attacked on 9/11?

====>No we are talking about the professors who called the victims little Eichmans. Again you are trying so hard to bash religion only to make yourself look even more desparate to win.

As a Christian, I can tell you Miami, that people like Rudolph, McVeigh, James Dobson, Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson, NONE of them are good Christians, if one is to look at the example Jesus set.

====>And you are who to judge another man's Christianity? You have now become the judge? I will tell you what if you are such a "good" Christian than help stop abortion, legally. Stand up for the rights of an unborn child. Or will that make you unpopular with your lib friends?

In fact, they more closely resemble the Pharisees who had The Son of Man crucified. These people will lead their followers into prayer, distorting the word of God and making them blind to the teachings of Jesus. AT BEST, they should be called what The Son of Man called the Pharisees of the day. They are “hypocrites.”

====>You seem to follow their lead. You have in effect condemned Christians by linkning Rudolph to terror in the name of Jesus. Nice job.

5:56 AM  
Anonymous Kira Zalan said...

First, we must stop pretending that the terrorists so far, by-and-large, have not been of the same ethnic origin. This will reasonably narrow down the search for potential perpetrators. But, it makes ALMOST as little sense to stop every Arab or North African in NYC today as it does to stop every 5th random person. Therefore, the profiling must be even more exact than race to be effective.

Israel has been perfecting the art of profiling, and has successfully prevented El Al (national airline) hijackings since 1970. The profilers are trained to look for signs of suspicious behavior (body language), which provides effective clues of whom to question. Barring exceptional con artists, body language is a dead give away of suspicious behavior. In fact, police officers are trained to look for such clues when dealing with everyday criminals.

The results: plenty of Arabs fly El Al, and yet enough people have been turned away to prevent terrorist attacks since 1970.

So why not fly some Israelis to NYC to train New York’s finest on such tactics?

10:38 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Another aspect that those who like to use Rudolph as an example of "Christian Terror" is that he was not part of an organized effort to commit terror. He acted alone. The terrorists who are trying to commit these acts are part of a larger network and have much support both by state governments and by religious sources.

Yes El Al does racially profile along with other factors they take into account. But they do use race as one of their factors. The fact is that the majority of terror suspects that have been caught were not blonde-hair blue eyed females. They were young men of Arab descent. Does that condemn all Arab men as terrorists, no. But they are the group that is most likely part of an organization like Al-Quaeda.

10:50 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Something else to consider is that El Al makes no apologies to anyone if you are barred from flying their airlines. You can sue them all day long and they won;t let you on an El Al flight if they choose to bar you. Try that here and the Airlines will be sued left and right, as if anyone in this country has a right to fly a commercial flight.

10:53 AM  

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