Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Welcome Back COINTELPRO!

Remember the good ole days of Richard Nixon, and our fabulous FBI Czar, J. Edgar Hoover? Remember how wonderful it was to have the FBI spy on Martin Luther King, on the basis that he was a communist? Well you can relive your glory days all over again, with the all new Presidential home game, Welcome Back COINTELPRO!

Watch how fun it is to have the Pentagon engage in its own spying of American citizens! See all the joys and laughs when they are forced to admit that they aren’t looking for terrorists, but for peace activists! And most fun of all, a joy that the whole family is sure to love, watch and see how fun it is for the President of the United States authorize the National Security Agency to spy on American Citizens!

See how fun it is to watch the President explain his actions as Constitutional! Watch him say:
"As president and commander in chief, I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country. Article II of the Constitution gives me that responsibility and the authority necessary to fulfill it…We know that a two-minute phone conversation between somebody linked to al Qaeda here and an operative overseas could lead directly to the loss of thousands of lives. To save American lives, we must be able to act fast and to detect these conversations so we can prevent new attacks. So, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, I authorize the interception of international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations.”
See all the zany hi-jinks that result when the American People frantically read Article II of the US Constitution!
Article. II.
Section. 1.
Clause 1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

Clause 2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Clause 3: The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

Clause 4: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Clause 6: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

Clause 7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Clause 8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.
Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Clause 3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
See the bewildered reactions of the children when they realize there is no provision in Article II of the US Constitution to permit the President to spy on US citizens! Watch the hilarious reactions of family and friends when reading over the Constitution, they find the little-known Fourth Amendment when reading over the Bill of Rights!
Article [IV.]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
And finally, see the nods of understanding, when the American People finally find the relevant section of the Second Article of the Constitution that President Bush must have been talking about!
Article II
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Until next time kids, be careful what you say on the telephone! Someone might be listening!

15 Comments:

Blogger MiamiMiami said...

I noticed that when Clinton was doing the same thing but actually really spying on people for no good reason it was ok. Bush is spying on conversations between people here and Al-Quaeda overseas and that's bad. Cliton was spying on people domestically WITHOUT judicial approval and that was fine. Bush actually uses FISA to get approval to spy on phone calls within the US and that's bad. Liberalism=duplicity

Clinton's Echelon Plan

On September 12 people were asking why we weren't monitoring phone calls between overseas Al-Quaeda and the 20 hijackers here and now that the NSA is doing it we got pinhead liberals crying about losing their civil liberties.

Just for argument's sake could you please tell me one person who has been in jail, arrested, tried, convicted, or lost any freedoms because of this or any action by the president or the NSA?

Jihadist Alva you have to remember that your civil liberties are useless once you're dead. That's what your buddies want to do me and, unfortunately, you too.

6:23 AM  
Blogger Alva Goldbook said...

Miami,
Now you drag out Echelon! Miami, I have been well aware of the Echelon system for the LAST TEN YEARS. It WASN’T Clinton’s plan, but in fact Echelon has been in the works since THE COLD WAR. That “liberal rag” Covert Action Quarterly EXPOSED the program back in 1998, and was then reprinted by another “liberal rag” Project: Censored. Feel free to go your public library Miami and pick up the 1998 Project: Censored Yearbook. Of course, you wouldn’t know anything of the sort, as at the time you were screaming your head off about Clinton getting something on a dress. Remember, Miami…every ejaculation doesn’t deserve a NAME.

Echelon was NOT Clinton’s plan, but in fact, has been in place going back to the Cold War. Furthermore, it is an intelligence intercept device that captures KEY WORDS or phrases into computer data banks (the main data banks are in Australia, Japan, the UK, and the USA) for later research by intelligence officials. From what is publicly known about Echelon, it does NOT capture your entire phone conversation, or e-mail, but instead captures KEY WORDS that the system is designed to pick up, such as words like “pipe bomb” or “nuclear weapon”. What you DON’T KNOW Miami, is that PROGRESSIVES have been enraged by this for THE LAST TEN YEARS. In fact, every April 19th is “Spam Echelon Day”. Hundreds of radical lefty activists send thousands upon thousands of random e-mails to each other with nothing but what we assume is those key words Echelon is picking up. The PURPOSE being that it will bog down the system enough to make it virtually useless.

And perhaps you have not been actually PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION to the news, but the problem is that Bush DIDN’T use the FISA court to spy on phone calls, despite the fact that FISA has turned down a grand total of FOUR requests out of 15,000 since 1979. The law even permits Bush to spy on someone for 72 hours and then retroactively seek FISA approval, when emergency cases are involved.

You are correct that on 9/12, people were wondering why we weren’t monitoring phone calls of known terrorists in our nation (there’s no evidence that they had called overseas to Al Qaeda at home). If you had been paying attention, Miami, Sibel Edmunds, a former translator for our nation’s intelligence services swore to an affidavit that the FBI was COMPLETELY AWARE of a terrorist plot planned for the summer of 2001, using hijacked airplanes to fly into buildings. What you should be wondering is WHY DIDN’T BUSH DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND WHY HE INSTEAD CHOOSE TO SPEND THE SUMMER OF 2001 HIDING ON HIS RANCH IN TEXAS.

Try Jose Padilla, or Mamdouh Habib, or Benyam Mohammed, or a host of others. Now tell me ONE TERRORIST ATTACK that has been prevented by this?

Repeating the inept ponderings of John Cornyn will get you nowhere. A far BRIGHTER man once famously said:

“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.” - Benjamin Franklin

9:57 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Miami,
Now you drag out Echelon! Miami, I have been well aware of the Echelon system for the LAST TEN YEARS. It WASN’T Clinton’s plan, but in fact Echelon has been in the works since THE COLD WAR.
======>Yes but Clinton was using it to monitor Americans in the form of crime fighting and organized crime and it was Jamie Gorelick who argued befoire Congress in 1994 that the President had an inherit authority under the Consitution to use such a system. So why is it wehen Clinton was truly using it to monitor civilian communications within the US without a court order it was ok but when Bush used it to monitor the communications of Alqaeda members it isn't? By the way every tim ecommunications were monitored it hs been done using the courts (FISA) and only for 45 days and Key members of Congress were advised. Liberalism=duplicity.


That “liberal rag” Covert Action Quarterly EXPOSED the program back in 1998, and was then reprinted by another “liberal rag” Project: Censored. Feel free to go your public library Miami and pick up the 1998 Project: Censored Yearbook. Of course, you wouldn’t know anything of the sort, as at the time you were screaming your head off about Clinton getting something on a dress. Remember, Miami…every ejaculation doesn’t deserve a NAME.
=======>Actually he did more than just jerk off on a dress. He committed perjury, and was rightly impeached for it. I sense that maybe you might be upset that you weren't a nameless ejaculation. But that isn't the point. Bush has used it completely legally and that bothers you because you as well as I know that whoever leaked the NSA's projects did so only to sell a book and to divert attention from another success in Iraq, the election.

Echelon was NOT Clinton’s plan, but in fact, has been in place going back to the Cold War.
=====>So was FISA. FISA has been around since 1978 to be exact. But Bush hasn't used the FISA court to spy on everyday conversation. I know it upsets you because it upsets this whole "REich-wing" applecart you have been trying to pull around but it's true. However Clinton DID use his authority to spy on civilian conversation. But it was ok because, well he isn't Bush.

Furthermore, it is an intelligence intercept device that captures KEY WORDS or phrases into computer data banks (the main data banks are in Australia, Japan, the UK, and the USA) for later research by intelligence officials. From what is publicly known about Echelon, it does NOT capture your entire phone conversation, or e-mail, but instead captures KEY WORDS that the system is designed to pick up, such as words like “pipe bomb” or “nuclear weapon”. What you DON’T KNOW Miami, is that PROGRESSIVES have been enraged by this for THE LAST TEN YEARS.
=====>No they haven't. Another liberal lie. Please. Are you kidding? So then why wasn't Echelon part of the NSA story? Why wasn't the Times also noting it in its piece? Why hasn't there been discussion of this in the MSM as progressives (another pseudonym for spineless liberal) being upset about Eschelon? Please.....



In fact, every April 19th is “Spam Echelon Day”.
======>Uh ok. I will have to take your word for it because apparently only you and you friends must know about this.

Hundreds of radical lefty activists send thousands upon thousands of random e-mails to each other with nothing but what we assume is those key words Echelon is picking up. The PURPOSE being that it will bog down the system enough to make it virtually useless.
=======>Wow. That's gutsy. Wow how brave of you and your fellow jihadists.

And perhaps you have not been actually PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION to the news, but the problem is that Bush DIDN’T use the FISA court to spy on phone calls, despite the fact that FISA has turned down a grand total of FOUR requests out of 15,000 since 1979.
======>Umm perhaps you need to step away from the CNN and MSNBC reports and find alternative and more balanced froms of news. The President had the authority to oreder such tapping under the FISA act. Please read


The law even permits Bush to spy on someone for 72 hours and then retroactively seek FISA approval, when emergency cases are involved.
=====>Actually the law allows him to spy for a year.

You are correct that on 9/12, people were wondering why we weren’t monitoring phone calls of known terrorists in our nation (there’s no evidence that they had called overseas to Al Qaeda at home).
====>No of course not. The NEVER made one phone call! There is also no evidence that the light DOESN'T stay on when you close the refrigerator door either....


If you had been paying attention, Miami, Sibel Edmunds, a former translator for our nation’s intelligence services swore to an affidavit that the FBI was COMPLETELY AWARE of a terrorist plot planned for the summer of 2001, using hijacked airplanes to fly into buildings. What you should be wondering is WHY DIDN’T BUSH DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND WHY HE INSTEAD CHOOSE TO SPEND THE SUMMER OF 2001 HIDING ON HIS RANCH IN TEXAS.

=======>Yeah. I mean if he was planning on stealing the oil why would have done anything? I mean God! Don't you understand that it was essential that he let those planes fly into the WTC that day if he was to hatch his "master" plan to put tax dollars into Cheney's pocket? I mean why else would he have let them do it? Geez! How stupid are you? We ALL know that Bush was planning to steal the Iraqi oil ever since he came into power. So he KNEW well in advnce that 20 hijackers were planning to hijack the planes and then crash them into buildings including his own White House and wammo! He would THEN, finally, have the ability to fool the world and invade Iraq. It was a perfect plan. And he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids!!!

Try Jose Padilla,
====>Indicted. Next....

or Mamdouh Habib,
=====>Autsralian citizen, doesn't have US Civil rights. Next......

or Benyam Mohammed
=====>Ethiopian citizen, Has no US civil rights. Next.....

, or a host of others. Now tell me ONE TERRORIST ATTACK that has been prevented by this?
========>Fortunately we will never know. But I know that there hasn't been a terrorist attack. By the way Padilla was planning on detonating a dirty bomb. Sounds like a terrorist attack to me. Alla Akbar Jihadist brother Alva!

Repeating the inept ponderings of John Cornyn will get you nowhere. A far BRIGHTER man once famously said:

“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.” - Benjamin Franklin


=======>I like this one best. It outs the cowards of the left and the Democratic party.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

1:34 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Ooopsss....pesky facts again. Sorry....

Newsmax.com
Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2005 1:14 p.m. EST
FISA Court Approved Bush Spy Program

Contrary to claims by Democrats currently hyperventilating on Capitol Hill over President Bush's decision to use the National Security Agency to monitor communications among terrorists, Bush's so-called "illegal" spy program has indeed undergone judicial review.

And a special foreign intelligence surveillance appeals court set up to review the case confirmed that such "warrantless searches" were completely legal.

Notes OpinionJournal.com today:

"The allegation of Presidential law-breaking rests solely on the fact that Mr. Bush authorized wiretaps without first getting the approval of the court established under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978."

But the Journal notes that in a 2002 case dubbed: "In Re: Sealed Case," the FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court "held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information."
The court's decision went on to say: "We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

What's more, notes the Journal: "The two district court judges who have presided over the FISA court since 9/11 also knew about" the Bush surveillance program.




Man! I wonder if there is another memo you can forge. That might actually get more traction.

1:46 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Dammit! How dare the US make life better for others!


ABC Poll: Most in Afghanistan say life is better now than under Taliban.



GENERAL

-- Three-fourths say living conditions, security from crime and freedom of expression have improved from days under Taliban.

-- Almost nine in 10 say the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban a good thing for the people of Afghanistan.

-- And three-fourths of Afghans say their country is headed in the right direction.

ECONOMY

-- People evenly divided on whether economic opportunities are better or worse now than under Taliban.

-- By a 2-1 margin people say that their own economic situation is bad.

MEDICAL/SERVICES

-- Respondents say medical care is limited.

-- They say basic services like electricity are not available for many.

ATTACKS ON U-S FORCES

-- Six in 10 Afghans say attacks on U-S troops can't be justified.

-- Three in ten say such attacks can be justified.

METHODOLOGY

-- Poll of 1,089 adults.

-- Conducted by Charney Research with field work by the Afghan Center for Social and Opinion Research in Kabul.

-- Poll conducted from Oct. 8-18.

-- Margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

1:49 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

It's official. The Democrats are finally on record as being against victory in Iraq.

Gather.com 12/16/2005
The house just passed House Resolution 612 "Expressing the commitment of the House of Representatives to achieving victory in Iraq."

The text of the bill states:
expressing the commitment of the House of Representatives to achieving victory in Iraq.

Whereas the Iraqi election of December 15, 2005, the first to take place under the newly ratified Iraqi Constitution, represented a crucial success in the establishment of a democratic, constitutional order in Iraq; and

Whereas Iraqis, who by the millions defied terrorist threats to vote, were protected by Iraqi security forces with the help of United States and Coalition forces: Now, therefore, be it


Resolved, That--

(1) the House of Representatives is committed to achieving victory in Iraq;

(2) the Iraqi election of December 15, 2005, was a crucial victory for the Iraqi people and Iraq's new democracy, and a defeat for the terrorists who seek to destroy that democracy;

(3) the House of Representatives encourages all Americans to express solidarity with the Iraqi people as they take another step toward their goal of a free, open, and democratic society;

(4) the successful Iraqi election of December 15, 2005, required the presence of United States Armed Forces, United States-trained Iraqi forces, and Coalition forces;

(5) the continued presence of United States Armed Forces in Iraq will be required only until Iraqi forces can stand up so our forces can stand down, and no longer than is required for that purpose;

(6) setting an artificial timetable for the withdrawal of United States Armed Forces from Iraq, or immediately terminating their deployment in Iraq and redeploying them elsewhere in the region, is fundamentally inconsistent with achieving victory in Iraq;

(7) the House of Representatives recognizes and honors the tremendous sacrifices made by the members of the United States Armed Forces and their families, along with the members of Iraqi and Coalition forces; and

(8) the House of Representatives has unshakable confidence that, with the support of the American people and the Congress, United States Armed Forces, along with Iraqi and Coalition forces, shall achieve victory in Iraq.


Here's how the voting broke down:

Vote # total (Rep/dem/Ind)
Yea 279 (218/59/0)
Nay 109 (0/108/1)

Unfortunately, I missed which party the last two 'Yeas' were. My apologies.

What's amazing is that 108 Democrats were against expressing a commitment to victory as stated in this bill. Keeping in mind the 2006 elections, two possibile reasons for this result are that either the Democrats think that Iraq will fall apart in the 9 months or so and they can make hay over the issue, or that Iraq will quickly become a non-issue and the short attention spans of the electorate will be their saving grace. Overall, this doesn't strike me a politically savvy move.


Well admittedly it doesn't make me feel better but there it is.

2:16 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Another great article about how stupid the Democrats really are!

2:19 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Another great article about the President being able to pull the trigger

2:22 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

NewsMax.com
Monday, Dec. 19, 2005 11:45 a.m. EST
Clinton Used NSA for Economic Espionage

During the 1990s, President Bill Clinton ordered the National Security Agency to use its super-secret Echelon surveillance program to monitor the personal telephone calls and private email of employees who worked for foreign companies in a bid to boost U.S. trade, NewsMax.com has learned.

In 2000, former Clinton CIA director James Woolsey set off a firestorm of protest in Europe when he told the French newspaper Le Figaro that he was ordered by Clinton in 1993 to transform Echelon into a tool for gathering economic intelligence.

"We have a triple and limited objective," the former intelligence chief told the French paper. "To look out for companies which are breaking US or UN sanctions; to trace 'dual' technologies, i.e., for civil and military use, and to track corruption in international business."

As NewsMax reported exclusively on Sunday, Echelon had been used by the Clinton administration to monitor millions of personal phone calls, private emails and even ATM transactions inside the U.S. - all without a court order.

The massive invasion of privacy was justified by Echelon's defenders as an indispensable national security tool in the war on terror.
But Clinton officials also utilized the program in ways that had nothing to do with national security - such as conducting economic espionage against foreign businesses.

In his comments to Le Figaro, Woolsey defended the program, declaring flatly: "Spying on Europe is justified."

"I can tell you that five years ago, several European countries were giving substantial bribes to export business more easily. I hope that's no longer the case."

During hearings in 2000 on the surveillance flap, Woolsey told Congress that in 1993 alone, U.S. firms obtained contracts worth $6.5 billion with the help of timely intelligence information.

"We collect intelligence on those efforts to bribe foreign companies and foreign governments into awarding an airport contract to a European firm rather than an American firm," Woolsey said in a 1994 speech, in quotes picked up by the New York Post.
Predictably, European officials were outraged by what they regarded as a massive abuse of the NSA's spying capacity.

"[This is] an intolerable attack against individual liberties, competition, and the security of states," complained Martin Bangemann, then-European commissioner for industry.

But the complaints went unheeded in Washington.

In 1996, President Clinton signed the Economic Espionage Act, which, according to the Christian Science Monitor, authorized intelligence gathering on foreign businesses.

"The Clinton administration has attached especial importance to economic intelligence, setting up the National Economic Council [NEC] in parallel to the National Security Council," the Monitor reported in 1999.

"The NEC routinely seeks information from the NSA and the CIA," the paper continued, citing anonymous officials. "And the NSA, as the biggest and wealthiest communications interception agency in the world, is best placed to trawl electronic communications and use what comes up for US commercial advantage."

2:27 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Just a reminder to my jihadist blogger. This is why President Bush does what he does. He got permission from Congress already.

Joint Congressional Resolution

5:17 PM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches

5:37 PM  
Blogger M A F said...

Nicely done Alva.

I reviewed my copy of the Constitution to read up on the presidents claims regarding Article 2. Re-reading the information here only confirmed what I already read.

I did learn that in 2004 Bush stated publicly that Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

This is another example of what a Bush lie looks like.

Thanks for the read.

1:12 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

HUh? That's an example of a "Bush lie?" Do you actually read these things or do you just flinch and scratch yourself to death when you hear the turth? Yes of course if you are going to wiretap communications between two AMERICANS in the US you need one.

He wasn't wiretapping conversations between two AMERICANS without a court order. These wiretaps were done between foreign, hold on let me try that again, FOREIGN calls into and out of the US. That needs no court order.

The NSA wasn't trying to listen into conversations between Alva and his fellow libs talking about how Bush has a pipeline going to Crawford or you and your ilk talking about the next "lie" Bush is preparing. For that you DO need a court order and guess what they got them when they needed them. Congress was notified 12 times about these wiretaps. Rockefeller knew about them. The FISA court knew about them. Where is the secret here?

But you keep looking for the next "lie." By the way did you hear that Democrats are on record for being against victory in Iraq? Yeah. So when they say they want victory in Iraq they are lying.

3:33 AM  
Blogger MiamiMiami said...

Here is some truth you can choke on.

Clionton ordered searches of Americans without court order, including physical searches

But wait, there's more!

Jimmy Carter ordered wiretapping without court orders as well!

My, my, my. Even the most hardened liberal will see how duplicious the allegations against Bush are!

3:46 AM  
Blogger Alva Goldbook said...

Miami,
Again…I don’t need you to tell me what I’ve already written. No, progressives were hopping mad when they heard about Echelon…TEN YEARS AGO. Why didn’t the MSM report on it? Because the MSM ISN’T LIBERAL. If the FISA law permits spying on Americans without a court order for a year, then you might want to inform this to Republicans Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snowe. They seem to think differently. Even your favorite Dem, Joe Lieberman seems to think differently. What makes you think that progressives or any other civil libertarian would think it’s was ok for Clinton to spy on Americans…ten years ago?

Bush has acknowledged publicly that he has violated the 4th amendment to the Constitution. He has committed a felony, that is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If you murder someone and get away with it, does that mean that if I murder someone, I should get a pass? Perhaps if you Reich wing nutcases were paying attention to your FREEDOMS instead of a stain on a dress, you could have removed Clinton from office. For that crime, I would have fully supported it. Now that Bush has committed this FELONY it is time for IMPEACHMENT.

Furthermore, I would suggest Miami, that you read Mill’s ON LIBERTY before quoting him. You might come to understand what LIBERTY actually is. As Mill defines it, Liberty is the LIMITS OF POWER we put on our leaders.

And if you think that I would not fight an ACTUAL foreign threat to my country, then you’re simply dead wrong. The biggest threat our nation faces today isn’t a group of Afghans living in caves, calling themselves al Qaeda. It is the FASCIST THREAT squatting in the White House.

Finally, if you’re going to post 11 responses to a single piece, then I think it is long over due for you to get your own blog. I have no issue with people who disagree with me posting whatever they wish, but unfortunately Miami, you seem to behave as if the comment section is YOUR blog. At least have the decency to post links that actually work for Christ’s sake.
In short…if you have something to say, do it in 1 or 2 posts….not 11. And don’t tell us what we have already written, us lefties were blessed with this thing called “memory”. If you cannot be courteous to the rest of us, then you will not be permitted to post any longer.

4:10 AM  

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